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Ndebele of Musi

The Ndebele are a Nguni people, they originate from Nguniland which was an area South East of Afrika which stretched from encompassed parts of Present day KZN, Swaziland and Eastern Transvaal. They first travelled with Abakwa Zelemu (AmaBhaca) to Ubombo Mountains and later broke away and entered the Transvaal. Their first known chief was Mafana. They proceeded to present day Mohlakeng (Mhlangeni) near Randfontein and continued to a place called Kwa-Mnyamana near Pretoria under the leadership of King Musi. After the death of Musi they split into two tribes Ndzundza and Manala due to succession dispute. Ndzundza and Manala were the sons of Musi Mhlanga.
Masombuka settled with the Ndzundza group while Mthombeni and Sibasa headed north with their followers. Sibasa later joined the be-Venda. Mrhwaduba joined the Pedi near Turfloop in Limpopo.
Dlomu went back to KZN, Mphafudi and Litjha ended with the South Sotho in Lesotho and Free State.
All the above were sons of Musi of Mhlanga.

The Ndzundza group moved past Middleburg and settled at Roosenekal (Kwasimkhulu) The Manala group returned to Kwamnyamana after the truce they made with the Ndzundza group near Loskop Dam Middleburg at a place called Konoqolo/Koqoli.
When Ndzundza died his son Mrhetja took over, and when Manal died his son Silamba took over kingship.
Later regents ruled the Ndzundza, those were Siboko, Somdeyi and Mabhoko.
Mabhoko died in 1865 and Masilela took over followed by Soqaleni who ruled until 1873, followed by Xobongo up to 1879, who was succeeded by Nyabela.

In the 1980’s the Musi Ndebele were given the land in the north-east of Pretoria near Groblersdal and Marblehall (Siyabuswa) as their semi-independent homeland. The youth and the Ndzundza royal house resisted apartheid independence. That place was called Kwandebele and is now under Mpumalanga province of the Republic of South Africa.
The language that these Ndebele spoke was a mixture of Nguni, Pedi and Afrikaans. In the 1980’s efforts were made to preserve a purer form of Ndebele and it has been very successful becaus now they speak pure undiluted Ndebela language which is also taught at schools. Previously they were taugth in Pedi and Zulu languages.

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  1. Maria

    Maria Mahlangu
    Please can someone send me isinanazelo sa kwa bungela kokosi mahlangu mntungwa. Please,Please, Please.

  2. Maria

    Maria
    Ngibawa isithakazelo sika Mahlangu(zbungela) angisazi nhlobo .
    ne zingoma zo mtjhado we sindebele.

  3. Sylvester Jiyane

    Can someone provide izithakazelo zakwa Jiyane, Mbandeni.
    kbslymc@webmail.co.za

    • Sylvester Jiyane

      IMBONGO ZAKWA – JIYANE

      NguMdlamama kaMavuba
      Owavuba ngebisi lesivukazana
      Isivukazana Somuswa (SikaMusi) omkhulu
      Esabuya emini sabuyela ukumunyisa
      Mfazi wamabele amade, owamuniyisa umntwana
      ngaphetsheya kwegwa neligwana
      Ngunyawo limasese, ngokulandela uNtuli
      Ziyambundela Nelanga, Ngumdzwegi wamambala
      Ngumkiri kagudwa, Ugudwa ngamakarinyana
      Ngumnombelange wakwaltuba
      Ngowavutha wabuyelela
      Ngowabada isilembe, abanye bagoduka baya emakhaya
      Mbandeni, Mphakama

      Usomdaki, ngumdla zababonako
      Komo KayoVilane
      Ngumdla zababonako
      Wadla zakhe uyajabajaba

      Ngusiphofu Mhlwayila
      Yinyoka eqenda indeni
      Ngunyawo zimasele
      Ngumasozisela ugogwakhe yindoda/idoda
      Ngusinaka ukunabelwa
      Umangweni wemangwana
      Ngumaphepha ngotshani, abanye baphepha ngomthangalsa

  4. Khumbulani Mnguni

    Isizwe samaNdebele yisizwe esikhulu kakhulu.Engicabanga ukuthi sisabalele yonke indawo.
    Venda ,northwest,KZN to Eastern Cape*AbaThembu abaphumi endlini kaDlomo owabuyela emva na?Bakhona naseLesotho.
    Ngicabanga ukuthi indlu kaNdebele kaMnguni inkulu kunezabo Lukuzumana,Phalo kanye NoNgwane ngoba uMhlanga ubenamadodana amaningi.
    I further agree with the fact that amaNdebele are not a breakaway clan from Zulu.But the question is who do we comfuse this to abakwaZelemu Madzikana kaZulu?NgamaBhaca from KZN baphelelaphi na eMzimkhulu further to Eastern Cape?noma they travevelled to pretoria ?
    How do we differentiate indlu yamaHlubi to eyamaBhaca?
    OMnguni Magubelo Gubhankomo Thubane alandelana njani amaxhegu akhona?uMathubane owayesondelelene noTshaka who was leading the Thuli regent uyangenelana noThubane waseMzini omkhulu na?uMzimkhulu uyisithakazelo sikaMagubelo?If so does it mean kukhulunywa ngoMzimkhulu umfula/indawo?
    NginguMagubelo wase Zimbabwe amakhehla nguMasotsha,maDedeya,Mlaga,Mahlangeni noMgidi naboNgwane.Iningi labo basukaKwaNdebele ngenkathi uMzilikazi ethatha abantu bakithi elubhekise kwelijaMthwakazi Zimbabwe.
    Ngiyafisa ukuthola uluzi olujulile ngeNdlu yamaGubelo.

  5. Nhlanhla Khumalo

    If Nzunza and Manala are same nation why they have different totems. That will also means incest was practiced as Mabena women gave birth to Nzunza sons. That is incest as they all same house.
    The truth is a lot of fabricated history has been given to people to defend the status quo of the rullers. The real Ndebele are Tswana who were nguninised by the Ndzunza. Manala are originally the banareng of Tswana descent who original Tebele (Ndebele ).

    You can get more history on my book to be published soon.

  6. Musa

    Lotjhani maNdebele, ngibawa onomlandu wakwa Mgidi, Mbonani, Masimula angirhelebhe ngyabawa

  7. Freddy Sibindi

    Hi
    I am Sibindi, son of July Piet Sibindi whom left me while i was young at the year 1997, He left with my mother when we were staying at potchstroom, by then i were 4 years old. i had challenges through every step o f my life because i had no dad, and my mother was staying with the other man whom departed us. and chase me away from home just because i were trying to find the truth about my real father and my culture, so i had to drop out of school because both of them were no longer supporting me in any how. So i went to work at the farm in order to get money that will help me to go seek for my father, so after i got money i asked my mother to at least give me a direction to where i can find my father and that was in 2011. She did agree to help me with that and gave me my fathers names and surnames and told me that he stays at Hoopstad. So i have found where my late father were staying and his family which told me not to worry they will help me to know everything my father and his culture, Oops nothing have happen up to so far, and also lost my beloved mother in 2015 she past away so please anyone of the Sibindi or relate with the Sibindi help me to find help about my fathers culture etc please ….. this are the number i can be reached at 073 471 2677. on face book (Freddy sibindi) or snipes Abrams. or you can find on this number 073 865 5138 Maseokamo thats a woman who chose fill my mother space in my life and she still trying to help me through

    • Jabu

      Most Sibindi families are In Zimbabwe they are part of the AmaNdebele nation of Zimbabwe, if u had resonable means it would have helped if u were to visit Zimbabwe especially kwaBulawayo you’ll find a good number of families. They obviously originate from South Africa they went to Zim with Mzilikazi.

      • Ntuthuko Zwane

        Jabu, this is not true. Pedi people are called Sibindi/Mgwaba. Pedi and Mbili/Mbire/Mbele/Phiri is the same surname. This includes all Ntuli, Sibisi/Sompisi, Ndlela and other tribes that come from the Zwane or Mbathane or Bethia or Mthiya tribe of Hasebias/KaSibiya. Another name for these is Semenya/Mzimela/Mzila noma Bosia/Mosia/Mosani/Msane or Mtshemla/Masimula people who are all over South Africa and particularly KZN and Eastern Cape and all Sotho-speakers. Pedi people are Sibisi tribes from KZN. All Sothos are Ngunis and all Ngunis are Sothos.

        Another name for Sibindi is Mgwaba and they are found under Mbhense people who are also called Mbeje kaDladla/oseNgome. Also called Mpisi or Mbezi (as in Zambezi = Sibisi, all tribes of Zambia/Sarvia/Zeroua/Siruya or Silula/Shiloa/Soane/Swane/Zwane) or Vezi or Mpithi or Bithi or Mbethe or Mvethe (as in Bhele Nomvethe) or Luza or Mawusa or Emmaus or Hoza or Xhosa or Ngoza or Khoza or Gosa. These people are Zulus and also called Mageba or Magiba or Mlaba/Mhlaba/Bethrapha/Rapha/Phahla/Mabasa/Mabaso or Nyawo or Ndawo/Ndau or Yao or Mlawu or Jehu or Njeru or Ilunga (eCongo) or Ximba or Simba or Swimba or Svimba or Sibimba or Siphemba or Siba (as in Sibanyoni or Sibalukhulu etc.) or Sibi or Msibi or Izibi or Dzivi or Zibi. Ndau are also Mntungwa or Tonga or Tau or Duma or Ngonyama or Ngwenya/Ngwenyama or Mbube or Mpolokoma or Leeu or Lion or Mlilo.

        UMgwaba = Gcaba = Mageba (or Magiba or simply Mange or Ngema or Mangwe or Mungwe son of Zwane) is a big king former King of the Zulu in Zululand and the tribe gives birth to Joel or Tsheli or Tshe or Maseko or Mshengu or Masole or Sure or Sue or Nzule or Ntule or AmaThole or Mjoli or Jele or Jere – this the highest ranking clan of the Nguni. The second is Saphan or Sarvia or Sabiya or Sibiya or Mashabane or Mashobane or Macobane (that was ruled by Mzilikazi before he went to consolidate Zulu power in Zimbabwe or Nzimakwe). The third is Janai or Jiyane or Jeria or Manyelela or Nyerera or KaMatshana or Litshana/Lishabane/Liswani/Lishane/Malisela/Mayisela. The last is called Saphat or Nhlabathi. A little bit further North if us they use Sebaoth or Sabaoth.

        Around Mtata where a lot of Sibisi’s live and in Eastern Cape in general, they go by Qaba or Gcaba or Nqaba or Mkhaba etc.

        Sibindi is also known as Zembethe KaSibiya or Zebedee, son of Sibiya. The rulers of this clan AbaNtwane bakaMpande or Bethani or AbaNtwane or Nzwane or Zwane or Matiwane or Mazinyane or Maziwane or Maziyane or Bethia or Mthiya or Elizabeth or Ethan or Mathanias or Mthaniya.

        Another way of writing Sibindi is Nhlabathi or Sabathi or Sambadi or Sebenzie or Sebetie simply Mswati or Mosadi or Mfazi. A common praise name is Mahlase or Matlatse. Another way to write Sibindi is Sepedi or Sebidi or Sibili. Yet another one is Thabethe or Thabatha, thus why Pedi people call themselves Mathabatha.

        The ruling house of Sibindi in Zululand is called Mahlabathini/Sebentwane/Si(bi)ndane/ Nsindane/Zethan/Zidiya/Mpangazitha/Nsindeni, also called Mathathias or Sedecias
        or Matatiele or Madadeni or Mantantisi or Mthantisi or Sithathi or Sithathu (KaMsweli wakwaMzimela kaMgwezane/kaLiswani/KaMaswanganyi/Ka Molefe/Mofengu/ Mfuye/ Mfuli/Yebo/ Bhengu/Ncube/Ngobe/Ngoye/Gumbi) where the 2 big house of Nkonjeni/Goshen/ Ngobeni/ Ncubeni/Nkobeni/Khoseni/Ngutsheni Ngubeni/Nkumbini/Makubedi/Mulapedi/ Morapedi/Qwabe/Gcwabe/Gwambe/ Mncwabe/Mugabe/Makhufe/Ngoyen/ Cohen/Ngweni/ Ngoni/Hanoch/Enoch/Joab (my grandmother is from this house) and the other house being Ncube/Ngobe/Ngoye/Okoye/Ngube/Gombe/Nkomo/Moyo/Molo/Gumbi/Bingu/Bhengu/ Mfengu/Molefe. This house is from Sekhukhune, called Sikhakhane in KwaZulu or Singo-Nguni or Maseko-Nguni or just Maseko which is = Sole/Sure, it is written as Sue in the Bible. This Sue is the progenitor of all the Ndebele clans.

        These are tribes that live in and originated from KwaZulu-Natal. When splinter groups former, they did not move with all the people of that clan. They merely moved and created illegitimate Royal seats and the seats they vacated were filled by other people in KZN.

        In Hosea Chapter 1 in the Douay Rheims Bible, you will that Osee/Hosea/Hhosiya/ Lozia/Lakosi/KaNkosi/Wangozi = Maswanganyi/KaZwane/Nathani/Phuzani/Busani/Natal had to wed Debelaim and continue their marriage despite Debelaim being a harlot. In this Chapter, God also stipulates clearly which tribes will survive the onslaught brought about by our sins and the denial that God wants to be involved in everything that we do.

        Just because the surname is not Sibindi does not mean that there aren’t in KZN. The same misconception exists for Jere or Jele. It exists as Mjoli or Moloi or Moholi or Joel or Tshelinzima or Matshe or eTsheni and many more.

    • Khulekani Sibindi

      Freddy, mfowethu, it is a good thing that you want to know imvelaphi yakho. Thina abakoSibindi, Mabhena, Mahlangu, singamaGodonga sonke. Isizwe sisahleli kahle, engakafiki uMzilikazi kaMashobana, inkosi ebibusa ngu king Sibindi. Okungangokuthi ubukhosi bakwaMjekejeke ngendlela efaneleyo ngobakwaSibindi hatshi uMabhena.

      Nanku umlando wakwaSibindi.
      .
      Mzilikazi was well welcome by the King and his people, appreciating his skills in battles etc. as a way of life at the time, tribes used to attack their neighbour if there is something they want and is in possession of others including cattles and if they feel they are undermined.

      Mzilikazi and his few men estimated at 300 used to be part of the troops of amaNdebele when they were attacking other tribes. As a believe amongst people that a real relationship is sealed with marriage, thus how Mzilikazi was viewed and treated. He was given a princes to marry but he bemoan the fact that he does not have cattles to marry the daughter of the King. Mzilikazi then began to request some Ndebele backup to attack some tribe with an aim to get cattle’s so he can marry the daughter of the King. After careful consideration Mzilikazi was allowed to make use of some Ndebele man. It is said he did that three times but on a third occasion he had already plan his escape.

      On this occasion it is said he took the amaNdebele back up far away and when the sun was about to set he advise that they should rest. Is during this time that when everyone was relaxing, having some sorghum beer and meat, his men took the spear of amaNdebele and rap it with grass. Upon realizing that amaNdebele best trusted troops are now not in a sober mood Mzilikazi’s men surrounded amaNdebele while others have already went back home to kill the King. When amaNdebele became aware that something is wrong they were already surrounded.

      Those who went back after completing their mission they set the entire royal kraal on fire also as assign to those in the bushes that they are done. They fled the area which clearly they have already mastered it having stayed full two years. The news of the assasination of the King spread fast necessitating amaNdebele regrouping and call for backup from neighboring clans including the Mayisa clan. Together with King Sibindi’s uncle Mavula who was staying near Harthely they drove Mzilikazi’s troops past KoSoMazabanye/ Cullinan. That is why the praise song for the King says “Ngushlangu sidabula udaka mhlana abaNtungwa bawa ubusolokohlo KoSoMazabanye”. However, Mzilikazi went away with thousands of young men and women hence he could not avoid calling themselves amaNdebele due to the high number of high contingent of people of amaNdebele descent. Also it was convenient for Mzilikazi because that was the best way deceiving those who were high on his heels.

      But Mzilikazi fleeing from amaNdebele from KwaMnyamana he went east. When amaNdebele at KwaMaza received the news of King Sibindi assassination it was late. Mzilikazi had began attacking amaNdebele at KwaMaza in 1826 where he caught King Magodongo and his sons. He tied King Magodongo after killing all his sons and took him back Mkobola mountain river and tied him to the big rock and threw him alive to the river(isiziba). He took some of amaNdebele there though many had already ran away. Mzilikazi continue attacking all tribes on his way and by the time the boers and Batswana combine forces to drive him away he had already commanding a troop of more eighteen thousands people. He cross to Bachwanaland (current Bitswana). It is said Mzilikazi split his group into two there other group cross to Zimbabwe from the north while other from the west. That is how in Zimbabwe you find amaNdebele in large numbers but also all tribes of South Africa are there even though in less numbers. AmaNdebele arrive in Zimbabwe at Ntabazinduna in the land of the Khalanga/ Kgalaka.

      At home in KwaMnyamana Mavula as an younger brother to Sibindi took over the reign during a mourning period of the death of the King and the mother queen. After a year in 1826 King Mavula relinquishes the reign back to the heir King Mdala.
      Mzilikazi’s foot print is well visible even today. In his route to Zimbabwe you will find pockets amaNdebele began with Rustenburg, Botswana at Odi and some some went belong Zimbabwe to Zambia.
      That is how Mzilikazi became a Ndebele instead of Mtungwa/ Khumalo. As to whether Mzilikzai is the founder of amaNdebele is the question well answered in the narrated history above and it should be treated as such. We hope writers will from now have guts to dig more about this than rushing to rap amaNdebele under Mzilikazi kaMashobane.

  8. Mkhuze Mahlangu

    Masotsha,

    Sorry for the spelling mistakes. I typed this text with a cell phone. But I think I did my best and hope your I answered your question. It was not was not easy.

    Cheers

  9. Oupa Mnguni

    Bengisabawa izithakazele nezibongo zakwa mnguni unghodela bakwethu

  10. SJ Tshabalala

    Hi. I’m in the Architecture Profession and currently doing a research on Ndebele indigenous architecture. Problem is that all literature about Ndebele architecture is European written, with many uncertainties/discrepancies. I would like to be part of any group that seeks to document Ndebele history, art and architecture as recited and related by the Ndebele people. I will be visiting Kghodwana Cultural Village (Kwa-Mhlanga) with assistance of Mr Petrus Mahlangu from MPG Tourism, on Friday 29-06-2018 as part of this research. Unfortunately i cannot get through to Botshabelo Cultural Village (Middleburg) as their number is not answered and a friend in Witbank tells me the place is closed.

    Hoping for some response soon from anyone interested.

    • I wish you luck! As a Ndebele speaking person myself – I don’t appreciate the co-operation one generally gets from the Ndebele speaking people. I wonder why? Again, doing a research – one seldomly gets any convincing explanation of the past or even the present events. One seldomly gets any neutral and objective testimonies. All what one gets are testimonies that seek to promote one’s own ethnic group or clan at the detriment of another. We cant work like that unfortunately.

      We cannot afford to write a distorted history once again on top of the already distorted history that was composed by Afrikaners in collaboration with the Sotho speaking persons (who got education before Ndebeles) about the Ndebeles. For example, when I was child it was in the public discourse to say that “kgosi yamatebele itswile ko golong ka jeme”. That was a nice joke among the Sotho speaking people. I was almost convince it was true. I subscribe to the slogan of the people who live with disabilities which says, “Nothing about us without us.” The Boers and Sothos dared to write the Ndebele History to be taught at school in a totally distorted manner. To prove that the Sotho were involved the composition of the Ndebele History – one can tell from the terms like “Matebeleland, Letebele, and other terms that tend to take Sotho and Afrikaner accent such as Matlhanku instead of Mahlangu, Nduli instead of Ntuli, Schoesana instead of Skhosana, Mabena instead of Mabhena. When I worked for the ANC as the recruitment agent I noticed terrible distortion of the surnames of Ndebele speaking people on their ID documents. I could tell from the style who wrote the surname concerned so badly. We don’t want history like that any longer. Anyone who wants to write history must be level headed and free from bias. If could fall upon me to write anything for the Pedis I will invite one of them to help me with proper spelling. I wont do things as they did with Ndebele when they worked as clerks and police during Apartheid regime.

      I did my own research. Alas! To my surprise I discovered it was the Pedis who caused King Nyabela to hide Mampuru from the Boer Forces in the Mabhoko Cave – the headquarters of King Nyabela. This was after he assassinated his own brother King Matsebe better known as King Sekhukhune. It is not in the public discourse to say that Mampuru was the English and Afrikaner informant who was opposed to the establishment of an independent Lebowa Kgomo for which Sekhukhune fought by tooth and nail. It is also not in the public discourse to say that the Boers made fool of Mampuru because after he helped them to eliminate Sekhukhune (who was a fierce rival of the Boer and English regime) Mampuru was strangely sought, hunted and capture to face a trial for murder. Why all of the sudden he had to be tried and subsequently be sentenced to death whereas he eliminated the Boer’s (part of the Pedis) and the English’s common enemy. Logically Mampuru should have been applauded for getting rid of Sekhukhune but more than half of the Pedis chased him from one territory to another until he subsequently sought asylum with King Nyabela. It is never revealed that in terms of the decision taken by convention among the Black kings – Nyabela was obliged to harbor Mampuru from the Boer forces. Instead every one is brainwashed by Pedi propaganda machine to say “kgosi yamatebele itswile ka jeme go Rholong”. This is both degrading and misleading in principle. And this is the king of crocked and distorted information one gets from bias people who indulged in demeaning other nationalities and ethic group.

      Further down the line you still get the Ndebeles who narrate history in a totally bias manner that seeks to portray their immediate ancestors as better than the others. I don’t mean to brag – but I am from a powerful clan. However – it is possible for me or anyone to prays their hero’s without necessarily denigrating the others. And where it is due, it is also possible to credit a hero from one’s own historic rival group. For example – it is an open secret that after the Boers – the Ndebele’s and (Sothos) don’t see eye to eye. This is historic. The (Sotho speaking people) seek to regard themselves as the upper species compared to Ndebeles. However – I have huge respect for the heroism by which king Sekhukhune handled the political matters of Lebowa Kgomo which laid foundation for the contemporary political climate. Further backwards – I credit Sekhukhune’s father Kgosi Thulare for laying the strong basis for the Pedis and for being the fearless warrior of al times. He (Sekhukhune) is a force to reckon with. To me, a person to tells of his strengths from start to finish without alluding on their weakpoints is a turn off. If a submission is too positive it is likely to be false.

      Under the circumstances I wish you luck. I wish you can get an open minded person who doesn’t discriminate against other people. A person who will assist you needs to be a very unbiased person even if it means he may look like a villain long as he will be telling the truth.

      In final analysis – the naming convention used to name the former C-Max Prison so overwhelmingly after Mampuru thereby ignoring the role played by King Nyabela in the runup to his arrest and subsequent execution bears testament to prove how bias a humakind can be. If really they regard Nyabela as Mampuru’s friend with whom he wen through thick and thin – it would make big sense had they named former Potgieter Street after King Nyabela to demonstrate their solidarity that is so much spoken about. The naming convention used to rename the prison after Mampuru is a damning demonstration to prove an attempt to erase Nyabela’s foot prints from the history books. My philosophy is that, one can remain superior without being superior to anybody. During my time at school. I never denied my fellow students to copy from books. I had a policy that says, even if they can copy that will not decrease the marks I am supposed to get. I don’t care if they score more than me but mine will remain the same. What does a candle lose after lighting 100 more candles – does its flame decrease in size. The answer is, no, its flame does not decrease no matter how many more other candles it can light.

      This is all the news that matters when it matters

      Cheers

      • Masotsha Mahlangu

        The aim of boers was just only to destroy the rich history and rich farming land of ndebele people and to separate them complitely so that they can gain or steal their rich land especialy from Gauteng to Mpumalanga. And as you know that the only way of defeating a black person is to use another black person whose next to in order to conquired him and the only people who were next to ndebele people in majority were northern sotho’s or bapedi people mostly belong to limpopo province which was the poorest province for the rest of apartheid time, that is why the boers were always using pedis to try and undermine the origin history of ndebele people and the pedis arrived very late here in South Africa.

        The first group to arrive in this country are nguni speaking people which are Zulus, Ndebeles, Xhosas and Swazis and truly speaking the northern sothos or pedis people arrived in this country found Nguni speaking people on which they arrived and settled next to ndebele people and to all Ngunis people they were actually foreigners because they found Nguni speaking people long and many years arrived in South Africa. Therefore for them to pretend as they know the useless history of ndebeles, the likes of jam erholweni, soled erholweni to ndebeles that was just for them to try and gain the ground and be recognised in this country and at last we were together in fighting apartheid till today that is why they are now south african citizens.

        Pedis and Boers knows nothing about the history of Ndebeles exept stupid wrong message of jam erholweni and the selling of konomtjharhelo to Ndebeles because Pedis and Boers were aiming to gain some rich land farming, cattles, sheeps(dinku), goats and pigs of ndebele people mostly arround Gauteng, Mpumalanga some in North West and Limpopo regions. The selling of nomtjharhelo is the issue of last 9years after the change of borders which took nomtjharhelo under Limpopo province where the Pedis are in majority. Again that is a useless stupid thinking of few individuals Pedis who are still trying to gain some groung in this country. MRUNGWA WEKOSI, MAHLANGU ONGAYINGWE SANGWENYAMA MKHUZE…

        • Masotsha Mahlangu, I suppose you and I need to debate the origin of the Pedis very robustly. According to your knowledge – where did the Pedis originate? It will be refreshing to know their origin. It is puzzling to learn that the Ndebeles originate from Natal via Randfontein, Pretoria and landed in Eastern Transvaal around 1400 to 1600. But to be quite frank with you – I just don’t know where the Pedis originated. No matter what the case might be – to some extent – I do believe that they where the first people to arrive in Transvaal – first before the Ndebeles. Otherwise there is volume of evidence to prove that they arrived before the Ndebeles. The Ndebeles were led by Nzunza to Eastern Tvl and that is obvious. But that is too recent – about 600 years ago with reference to the years 1400s. Lets tell the truth where it is due. Some school of thought advocates that they originate from Botshwana but am not sure. What’s your take on this?

          OK. It is an open secret that for a long period of time the Sothos in general collaborated with Whites to repress other black people. Of note – it is only king Sekhukhune who stood up right, unambiguously and unapologetically against White supremacy. After him, his prophesy of December 1879 was fulfilled. Immediately after King Sekhukhune was released from the present day Kgosi Mampuru Prison in 1879, he prophesied. He said, ” I feel sorry for you the people of black hair. Unless you unite like a bundle of wood, in the end, all of you shall work in Pretoria. After me, there shall no any other king that will fight and defeat the Pretoria. All the kings that shall come after me shall become the informants and puppets of Pretoria.”

          The Pedis did exactly as king Sekhukhune and they are continuing to do that. The first major thing they did to affirm Sekhukhune’s prophesy was for Sekhukhune’s own sympathizers to join forces with the Boers to hunt for Mampuru after assassinating Sekhukhune on the night of the 13th August 1882. They supplied the Boers with information that led them to the whereabouts of Mampuru where he sought asylum with king Nyabela. The boers followed those tipoffs until they traced Mampuru.

          The Boers then gave Nyabela and ultimatum to release Mampuru or face insurgency. King Nyabela denied to co-operate with the ultimatum with contempt while Mampuru sat in the headquarters of king Nyabela at eRholweni. On the 12 October 1882 the insurgency ensued. King Nyabela killed a number of the members of the commando but not limited to the noticeable soldiers who answered to the names of Stephanus Johannes Roos and Frederick Senekal.

          During the lengthy insurgency that lasted for 10 months, the Boer forces under the command of general Piet Joubert had besieged king Nyabela with Mampuru sitting behind him, once again a Pedi speaking person from Mampuru’s sympathizers this time couldn’t withstand the hunger to which Nyabela and company were subjected to. He got out of the cave to update general Piet Joubert about the state-of-affairs back in the cave. He told Piet Joubert that Nyabela together with Mampuru and company had run out of food supplies and military supplies. That statement reassured general Piet Joubert to stop assaulting but to camp around the cave deeply assured that at no time King Nyabela would come out of the cave at his accord. And it happened just like that. The man who supplied Piet Joubert with that important information was one of Mampuru’s lieutenants – he was a Pedi speaking person. Remember in the meantime Boers had given Sekhukhune’s lieutenants some picks and shovels to dig the cave from behind so that the boers could reach Nyabela through shaft. The Afrikaans version of South African Military History suggests there were some 1500 Sekhukhune’s Pedis who collaborated with whites in pursued of the capture and arrest of Mampuru.

          Guess what happened after they boers got hold of Nyabela and Mampuru? The duo and their lieutenants were escorted over to Pretoria to be prosecuted. Nyabela was sentenced to death but his death sentence was commuted to life imprisonment with hard labour. Mampuru was sentenced to death and hanged. Thereafter – the Boers apportioned Sekhukhune and Mabhoko land among the members of the commando as thanksgiving for defeating Nyabela who fougth with tooth and nail defense of Mampuru from the Boer forces. Thereafter – the Boers distributed the Pedis who helped to fight Nyabela in demand of their Mampuru among the farmers to serve as farm labourers. That’s how the Boers thanked the Pedis for helping them to hand over Mampuru. They were thanked by being made puppets which served on the farms instead of being given their land. This was a dramatic fulfillment of Sekhukhune’s prophesy of 1879.

          They didn’t stop there. Over the year they have maintained their close relationship with Boers serving as farm supervisors. I remember when we used to harvest beans often than not it was a Pedi speaking person who used to be the second in charge. He used to ensure that not even a single shred of bean tree remains behind. He used to insult us with the insults that were used by the boss. He would command a defaulter to go back to the other end of the field to pick up one branch of bean tree. They were responsible for counting sheep in the absence of the land lord yet they were the ones who stole the most. Every knew tractor was given to a Pedi speaking person and the older ones where shifted down to the other nationalities. Driving with a lord he would sit on the front seat – took serious offence should he see a Ndebele speaking person on he front seat.

          In towns the Pedis served as administration clerks, police, cooks, messengers, chefs, security guards, teachers implementing Bantu Education etc. They helped to enforce the Laws of the Apartheid Regime by working as police and security guards. Their main targets where the Ndebeles which they referred to as Matebele and the Shangaans. The hierarchy was thus: A White person was regarded as the top the range, the second superior person was a Pedi speaking person and the very last and the most inferior group were Ndebeles and Shangaans.

          It is by no surprise the surnames of the Ndebele’s take the Pedi and Afrikaans accent on their IDs such as Mathlanku or Maslangu instead of Mahlangu, Nduli or Ntilie instead of Ntuli, Mabena instead of Mabhena, Schoesana or Sikhosana instead of Skhosana, Tshiyane or Tjian instead of Jiyane, Letebele instead of iNdebele, Matebeleland instead of (Ndebeleland), Mapoch instead of Mabhoko.

          Against this background, it is by no surprise the former C-Max prison was renamed overwhelmingly after Mampuru and totally ignored the paramount role played by Nyabela in the run-up to the arrest of Mampuru. The bonus is to invite the Ndebeles to go and celebrate the so called solidarity of King Nyabela and Mampuru at the Annual Mamone Commemoration at Lebowa Kgomo. They Pedi’s have always sought to see themselves above the Ndebeles from time immemorial. And they regard themselves as being automatically second in charge after a white man even if they are not asked to.

  11. SJ Tshabalala

    Thank you so much for your profound insight on this subject Mkhuze Mahlangu, I do hope one day all people will be able to accurately tell and document their own history. Much appreciated!!!

  12. SJ Tshabalala

    Masotsha Mahlangu can you kindly SMS me your contact number i would like to contact you. SMS to 0761251539. Thanks!!!

  13. SJ Tshabalala

    Sthokoze ‘Hlangu. I’ll will contact you on Thursday.

  14. Masotsha Mahlangu

    Mkhuze Mahlangu. To my suprised I already asked many of Pedis people old and young who are even proud of themselves as Pedis but all they can’t tell me why they are known or called Bapedi or they will tell me different understandings about themselves. Some will tell you that they are Pedis because of the combination of mosotho(man) from Lesotho and motswana(woman) from Botswana, some will tell me about Venda name translated to their name and some says two basotho men has decided to marry many foreigners females as they can in founding the nation of Bapedi. I and you as ndebeles we know that ndebele is the name of our forefather Ndebele the son of Mnguni and that is why we are ndebeles of mnguni, same as zulus, xhosas and swazis. And please can you just tell me where are Pedis originated? I believe this one of mosotho and motswana togetherness and found the Bapedi family but can you tell me please???

    My knowledge tells me that Sekhukhune name is a nickname because he(Sekhukhune) bekade akhukhutha too much on which kasepedi kegu khukhuna, ukhuthi bekakhukhutha enzani, abaleka noma asilwa angeze nawo aMapedi akutshela and now is too late to create something very good ngomunye umunndu begodu kwayena angazazi kuhle bona udabuka kuphi, iye khona unayo imvelaphi yakhe kodwa kwayena mopedi akazazisisi kuhle. They just claim that they know the history of Ndebeles which are Ngunis but they know nothing about other Nguni speaking people like zulus, xhosas and swazis then you must ask your self that this people(Bapedi) they are very intelligent in creating thier own history story about other tribes of people so that they can be recognised and known as the people who knows the origin history some people which is wrong.

    Ngiphile nabo from 2002 till now Lebowakgomo, Petersburg, to Burgersfort and most of them they tell me that bona bayizi zukulwani zamandebele and again that bona their Surnames(Izibongo) NGEZABO KHOKHO BABO BABEFAZI(women) which tells me that most of them they are originated from Ndebeles, just take example about Kekana which is Thombeni who rules almost 25 percent of Pedi speaking people so that is why they use to claim that they know about Ndebeles origin because some of them Ndebeles in origin for example while I proposed a girl from surname Mahlaku, Mahlake, Mahlakwane they will tell me that nna ki abuti(brother) yabone baba buditse ko magabo that they are originated from Mahlangu wali tebele but bona ke Mapedi??? About their(Pedis) arrivals I said in South Africa, and that they found Nguni speaking people long many years arrived in this country as first group.

    To me or to any south african citizen, all this nine provinces in this country is my home nomatter is high veld, low veld transval or what ever name of region name is. Why in the beginning the Bapedis were known as aBesuthu and suddenly they are no more basotho but they are Bapedi, NEW TRIBE HAS BEEN FORMED OR CREATED and no more Northern Sothos but Bapedi just because they can create their own unoriginated history and be well known plus publishing that lies on the media and internet? Let us not playing with our hard fought Education and Quality we have by creating lies about other people on which you even don’t know youself origin history.

  15. Sandile J Tshabalala

    Lothjani.

    Can someone please help with:
    (1) popular Ndebele paintwork patterns (e.g. razor/ithjefana) and their meaning,
    (2) popular paint colours (e.g. red, blue, green…) and their meaning.

    uZim anithlogomele!!!

  16. Jabulile mahlangu

    Good day everyone. Can I please have isithakazelo sakwa Mahlangu (Gembe)..

  17. Thank for taking courage and updating us about the origin of the Ndebeles. You knowledge of History is not different from what I know, therefore there is nothing we can argue about except the following statement:

    “The Ndzundza group moved past Middleburg and settled at Roosenekal (Kwasimkhulu)….”

    There is a vast difference between Roossenekal and KwaSimkhulu – I know this practically. KwaSimkhulu is situated along the N4 Freeway between Wonderfontein and Belfast where the R33 (Carolina Road) joins N4 next to the train station Senburry.

    Whereas, Roossenekal lies on North-West of KwaSimkhulu separated by some 50km. It lies some 15 to 20min drive from Burgerforth/Steelpoort on the corner of R555 Middleburg/Steelpoort road and R577 Roossenekal/Lydenburg road.

    Yes you are very correct – Nzunza first settled at KwaSimkhulu and he died there hence his grave is there as well. Later on the Nzunza headquarters was shifted West of KwaSimkhulu over to the place called KwaMaza. KwaMaza lies a stone throw away from the present day Blinkwater Millstone – where Super B is manufactured. On the 16 of June 2018 I attended the funeral of Mr. Msiza, father to the playwright Mkhuzelwa Msiza. I got a chance to ask the inhabitants as to where KwaMaza is. Refreshingly I got to know the meaning of the word “Maza” too. Maza is the plural word of “iliza” thus 1 iliza = 2 amaza. According to them, “iliza” is a type of antelopes popular for running fast which inhibit predominantly on the slops of Bothas Mountain Pass toward Tubatse River and KwaMadlayi. This is why the place around Blankwater is called KwaMaza. Very interesting, isn’t it?

    KwaMaza was the second headquarters of Nzunza where King Magodongo was killed by Mzilikazi. If you look at KwaMaza, it is a flat plane prone for enemies to ambush the headquarters from all sides. Owing to the security concerns – when King Mabhoko took over the reins – he purchased the present day eRholweni from King Thulare, King Sekwati’s father but King Sekhukhune and Mampuru’s (common) grandfather. Reading the history in Afrikaans, it is said that a transaction of some 200 cattle was exchanged between Thulare and Mabhoko to procure the caves of eRholweni. Therefore, the Nzunzas went to Roossenekal long after King Nzunza had died. The Nzunza’s went to eRholweni under the leadership of King Mabhoko around 1700s. The below websites tend to agree very much with what I have here above.

    1. https://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.com/2013/12/ndebele-manala-ndebele-and-ndzundza.html

    2. Ndebele History https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/ndebele

    3. This article gives a clear light of the movement of the Nzunzas from KwaSimkhulu to eRholweni under the leadership of King Mabhoko 1. : http://www.justice.gov.za/lcc/jdgm/2002/3-00.pdf

    This is all the news that matters when it matters

    Cheers

  18. Ntuthuko Zwane

    The Zulus are not Ndebele argument does not hold water. Firstly, Ntombela and Nzuza are the same people. The Zulu come directly from the Ntombela within Malandela. In Biblical times Ntombela was called Tobias or Tobin or Mthombeni. Interestingly, this is what Africa was called before white people came: Topia.

    Secondly, the names of previous Kings of KwaZulu are more than just names their parents gave them. In fact all Kings/Chiefs normally get new names when they take up office. The names they get are the names of the seat of power they occupy and are names of the people that, that King/chief rules over. For instance, the Zulu King’s surname is not actually Zulu but are Zulu by virtue of him ruling the Zulus. the correct surname for Zulu kings are Ngwane or Zwane or Matiwane or Mntwane/Mntwana or Zwana.

    Senzangakhona is broken into 2 parts.

    The first part is called Senzanga or Sesaca or Sesac, son of Baria.Vhalea or Maoela, or Zizwane or Nzuzwane or Ntuthwane or Ntuzwane or Tholane or Ntwane or Thwane or Tshwane or simply KaNzuza or KaThola or Kamukani or Kamukela = Samukela or Samukelo or Samuhel or Samuel/Semei. Other names are Zethan or Nsindane or Nsindeni or Zindela or Assidea/Assideans or Sebentwane or Sibindane.

    There are 6 sons of Nzuza/Thola/Ntombela who make up 1 half of Senzangakhona – these are AmaZalankosi or Israel (that is literally what the name Israel means, father of Kings/Rulers of the world). AmaKhosi amaNgwe so Zalankosi = Zalangwe = Zawane = Zwane:

    Sons of Nzuza or Nzuzwane or Tholane or AbaNtwane baka Nzuza:
    1. Ozi/Hosi/Kgosi/Nkosi/Lozi/Omulozi/Woti/Mawoti, surname: Gabela/Ntombela/Ntombane/Dubane/Gabane/Bacbacar/Becbecia or Cibane or kaCirha or KaMageba or Kange or Ngwane or Zwane or Ncwane or KaMatiwane;

    2. Raphaia or Wabane or Habana or Havana , Surname: KaDube/KaNdaba/Tabane/Mthombeni or Dubeni;

    3. Jeriel or Nzhelele or Njelele or Nyelele or Nyerera or Manyelela or Jeria or Jiyane or Myeni or Mayeni or Mbekane or Mthethwa or Myeki or Eliel or Melech;

    4. Jemai = Semai = Semali = Zimali or Zili or Zingi or MZili or Jeli or Joel or Jere or Jele or Msweli or Semei or kaSeme or Nsele or Osee or Hosea or Joshua or Mlotshwa or Yeshua or kaMahlangu or KaMasango = Nzimande;

    5. Jebsem = Lebese = Sibisi = Sibindi or Sibili = Sepedi = Bisi/Bese = Mbhense = Phesse, son of Esthon/Sothoni/Sothole/Lesotho/Sithole, = Vezi = ZaMbezi = Pedi = Obed = Mbethe = Luza = Hoza = Mawusa = Ngoza = Mgwaba = Qaba = Gcaba;

    6. Samuel = Samule = Samulani = Malambule or Khambule or Khayi or Mngayi or Caleb or Asael = Sahel = Maseka = Hlengwa = Singamu = Masinga = Masai = AmaHala or Amasa = Mabasa = Mabaso = Mambazo = Phahla = Samai = KaNzama = Lisama = Saminga = Sanga = Ntshanga = Mhlanga = Sana = Samukelo or Kamugelo = Kamohelo = Zwana = Ntwane = Zwane = Mzimela = Sibiya.

    Inzalo Ka Nzuza/Ntombela ka Isaka noma KaMhlanga. UMhlanga is the 8th son of Israel/AmaZalankosi. Listed above are the Chief House of the sons of Nzuza.

    • Ntuthuko Zwane

      Lezi zizwe ezingaphezulu zakwa Nzuza izo ezigcwele iKZN yonkana ezibuswa inkosi yakwaZulu through the dynasty of Isaka or Ishaka or Shaka Zulu or Mhlanga Zulu.

      The second part of SenzangaKHONA is the KHONA:
      1. KHONA = GONA = BAGONA = BORANA = KHOKHA = NGWENA = NGWENYA = NGWENYAMA = NGONYAMA = DUMA = TAU = MADUNA = MNTUNGWA = Tonga/Tsonga/Ronga/Moroka = Khalo = Ngalo = Nkawu = Kawu = Kau = Nkuna = Makhunga = Ngcuka = Gcau = Makhunga = Langa.

      2. In the Bible, Issachar is called Men/Man of Hire which translates to Khokha in IsiZulu or Gona/Khona.

      These are tribes that exist in every province and call themselves Xhosa, Venda, Dlamini/Swati etc. They all come from the same Zulus and we are them and they are us. Swaziland is just over 50 years old. Who were they before they sold us out to Apartheid government?

  19. Piet

    inanazelo zakwa Mahlangu Bhorholo

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