The Ndebele are a Nguni people, they originate from Nguniland which was an area South East of Afrika which stretched from encompassed parts of Present day KZN, Swaziland and Eastern Transvaal. They first travelled with Abakwa Zelemu (AmaBhaca) to Ubombo Mountains and later broke away and entered the Transvaal. Their first known chief was Mafana. They proceeded to present day Mohlakeng (Mhlangeni) near Randfontein and continued to a place called Kwa-Mnyamana near Pretoria under the leadership of King Musi. After the death of Musi they split into two tribes Ndzundza and Manala due to succession dispute. Ndzundza and Manala were the sons of Musi Mhlanga.
Masombuka settled with the Ndzundza group while Mthombeni and Sibasa headed north with their followers. Sibasa later joined the be-Venda. Mrhwaduba joined the Pedi near Turfloop in Limpopo.
Dlomu went back to KZN, Mphafudi and Litjha ended with the South Sotho in Lesotho and Free State.
All the above were sons of Musi of Mhlanga.
The Ndzundza group moved past Middleburg and settled at Roosenekal (Kwasimkhulu) The Manala group returned to Kwamnyamana after the truce they made with the Ndzundza group near Loskop Dam Middleburg at a place called Konoqolo/Koqoli.
When Ndzundza died his son Mrhetja took over, and when Manal died his son Silamba took over kingship.
Later regents ruled the Ndzundza, those were Siboko, Somdeyi and Mabhoko.
Mabhoko died in 1865 and Masilela took over followed by Soqaleni who ruled until 1873, followed by Xobongo up to 1879, who was succeeded by Nyabela.
In the 1980’s the Musi Ndebele were given the land in the north-east of Pretoria near Groblersdal and Marblehall (Siyabuswa) as their semi-independent homeland. The youth and the Ndzundza royal house resisted apartheid independence. That place was called Kwandebele and is now under Mpumalanga province of the Republic of South Africa.
The language that these Ndebele spoke was a mixture of Nguni, Pedi and Afrikaans. In the 1980’s efforts were made to preserve a purer form of Ndebele and it has been very successful becaus now they speak pure undiluted Ndebela language which is also taught at schools. Previously they were taugth in Pedi and Zulu languages.
Nhlanhla Khumalo
If Nzunza and Manala are same nation why they have different totems. That will also means incest was practiced as Mabena women gave birth to Nzunza sons. That is incest as they all same house.
The truth is a lot of fabricated history has been given to people to defend the status quo of the rullers. The real Ndebele are Tswana who were nguninised by the Ndzunza. Manala are originally the banareng of Tswana descent who original Tebele (Ndebele ).
You can get more history on my book to be published soon.
Khumbulani Mnguni
Isizwe samaNdebele yisizwe esikhulu kakhulu.Engicabanga ukuthi sisabalele yonke indawo.
Venda ,northwest,KZN to Eastern Cape*AbaThembu abaphumi endlini kaDlomo owabuyela emva na?Bakhona naseLesotho.
Ngicabanga ukuthi indlu kaNdebele kaMnguni inkulu kunezabo Lukuzumana,Phalo kanye NoNgwane ngoba uMhlanga ubenamadodana amaningi.
I further agree with the fact that amaNdebele are not a breakaway clan from Zulu.But the question is who do we comfuse this to abakwaZelemu Madzikana kaZulu?NgamaBhaca from KZN baphelelaphi na eMzimkhulu further to Eastern Cape?noma they travevelled to pretoria ?
How do we differentiate indlu yamaHlubi to eyamaBhaca?
OMnguni Magubelo Gubhankomo Thubane alandelana njani amaxhegu akhona?uMathubane owayesondelelene noTshaka who was leading the Thuli regent uyangenelana noThubane waseMzini omkhulu na?uMzimkhulu uyisithakazelo sikaMagubelo?If so does it mean kukhulunywa ngoMzimkhulu umfula/indawo?
NginguMagubelo wase Zimbabwe amakhehla nguMasotsha,maDedeya,Mlaga,Mahlangeni noMgidi naboNgwane.Iningi labo basukaKwaNdebele ngenkathi uMzilikazi ethatha abantu bakithi elubhekise kwelijaMthwakazi Zimbabwe.
Ngiyafisa ukuthola uluzi olujulile ngeNdlu yamaGubelo.
Sylvester Jiyane
Can someone provide izithakazelo zakwa Jiyane, Mbandeni.
kbslymc@webmail.co.za
Sylvester Jiyane
IMBONGO ZAKWA β JIYANE
NguMdlamama kaMavuba
Owavuba ngebisi lesivukazana
Isivukazana Somuswa (SikaMusi) omkhulu
Esabuya emini sabuyela ukumunyisa
Mfazi wamabele amade, owamuniyisa umntwana
ngaphetsheya kwegwa neligwana
Ngunyawo limasese, ngokulandela uNtuli
Ziyambundela Nelanga, Ngumdzwegi wamambala
Ngumkiri kagudwa, Ugudwa ngamakarinyana
Ngumnombelange wakwaltuba
Ngowavutha wabuyelela
Ngowabada isilembe, abanye bagoduka baya emakhaya
Mbandeni, Mphakama
Usomdaki, ngumdla zababonako
Komo KayoVilane
Ngumdla zababonako
Wadla zakhe uyajabajaba
Ngusiphofu Mhlwayila
Yinyoka eqenda indeni
Ngunyawo zimasele
Ngumasozisela ugogwakhe yindoda/idoda
Ngusinaka ukunabelwa
Umangweni wemangwana
Ngumaphepha ngotshani, abanye baphepha ngomthangalsa
Sylvester
Thank you
From Sylvester.Jiyane
Maria
Maria
Ngibawa isithakazelo sika Mahlangu(zbungela) angisazi nhlobo .
ne zingoma zo mtjhado we sindebele.
Maria
Maria Mahlangu
Please can someone send me isinanazelo sa kwa bungela kokosi mahlangu mntungwa. Please,Please, Please.